Faith or Plain Foolishness ??
Tue, 2006-11-28 03:13 — India Whining
I remember somebody saying, when you loan money to a friend - be prepared to lose either your money or your friendship. I paid too high a price, to find the truth behind this age old wisdom. Besides losing money & friendship, i have also lost a great amount of mental peace & many a nights of peaceful sleep.
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Aye Aye hansome (thats handsome without the ‘d’, ekdum singlish style) what i meant is, threatning to hurt her where it would hurt her the most & not actual hurting. If hurting(of any kind) doesn’t get me my money back then obviously its not going to help my cause. There is no such thing as moral victory considering the substantial sum of money involved in this lafdaa. Anyways, chal thanx for the time you spent in penning your thoughts & advise over this matter. If required, I will consult you some time in the future. Tab tak ke liye we will adjourn this case. Thanx everyone who read through & commented. Hopefully i will have a more cheerful blog next time around. Ciao All.
IW
Like I said - don’t focus on hurting her or not hurting her.
Only focus on the ways to get your money - if possible, without harming anyone.
Get your money, get out of there and don’t look back.
IW
Most certainly. In fact, if you go via the legal route, you may never recover your money fully. The bare threat of the legal route would be most appropriate. The words “speak softly but carry a big stick” should be applied here.
Secondly, the situation is precisely this - your past attempts at reformance of the gal have only fed into her habit, so you are doing something wrong - you may be blamed equally for allowing her to start believing that she can still live a rich lifestyle without pulling up her socks ( - in case she is genuine, which I still maintain, she is not).
Hence, based on past performance, you are not the guy to pull her out of whatever she is into. Indeed, if she is a genuine person, she should ideally stay away from anyone who feeds her habit.
So, your only reformist choice (if you are thinking from HER point of view) is to get her to pay back her loans and not let her continue believing that she can live beyond her means and simply encroach on other people’s resources for maintaining her opulence.
So, this way or that way - get the money out of her.
The law is secondary, punishment is secondary, her education is secondary (i mean you’ve failed at it umpteen number of times, cause you never varied your approach), vindictiveness is secondary - your hard-earned money is primary. If you get vindictive, you will lose the money and go on other trips.
And IW, dude, its touching to see the love dripping from your guts - I wish my dad and mom and bro and wife and children and neighbors and god loved me so much as thou unconditionally lovest thy own robber.
In fact, if you seriously are into her that much, go ahead and propose to her - whether she is a robber or not does not matter then. Nor does it matter whether you work you butt off to allow her to live in luxury.
Marry her, or stalk her and try to reform her. See if that works - perhaps, you may hit on a way and then you might just live happily ever after.
If you believe in her so much, why aren’t you taking such more dedicated steps to reform her? Why are you only pushing money to her, and not doing more?
I mean, c’mon dude - its not fair to your unconditional feelings for her to leave things half way.
Ya to aar, ya to paar. Yeh aadha-aadha jeeney mey matlab nahi hai, mere bhai. Jo bhi karo, puri tarah se karo.
Atraa
>> In fact, if you seriously are into her that much, go ahead and propose to her
That is totally out of the equation. Yeh item apney khissey ko parvadney waali nahi hein. That has been proved beyond doubt. Besides if i propose to her now (which I don’t intend to), there is no way for me to know if she said “Yes” out of desparation. It would be like trading money for love. It would be inappropriate to pop the question to a person who’s under so much financial obligation (towards me). I would be highly suspicious of her motives if she turns around and says that she loves me (now, i.e.). And i am damn sure she doesn’t harbour any such feelings. I am also very clear in my mind that any long-term association with her is a surefire recipe for disaster.
Baaki rahi baat about ways n means of reforming her. Besides helping her financially, I have tried helping with some of her work related write-ups & providing her information on few prospective employers etc. When she was in Sg, I tagged along her and visited few organizations for possible openings & oppurtunities. As far as trying to brainwash her into giving up her opulent lifestyle, she finally seemsto be convinced that she can’t live in past glory & continue holding on to her high-maintenace assets. Few months back she sold her car and (claims) that she is trying to sell off her apartment aswell. Earlier she was quite adamant that she won’t sell her apartment coz it was her long cherished dream, but seems like now she is prepared to let go of it. Anyways ab delhi door nahi. Will know for sure in couple of months. All i need to do is set a deadline (for waiting), beyond which I will move to plan-B of “bare threat” + ““speak softly but carry a big stick” , as correctly suggested by you. Legal means se toh apne desh mein kuch nahi honay waala hein. So i will try to hurt her where it would hurt her the most (her bachaa khuchaa reputation in her field of work, is what i plan to target).
Question for the handsome atraa..
>> does all punishment have to take a legal form and take a path which drags everyone through muck? I mean, seriously, has the traditional and standard FIR-publicity-courtcase-imprisonment routine really done anything to rectify a criminal mind ever,
>> However, it takes a mature society (and mature individuals) to be able to put aside the vindictive approach and purely look for the rectification of the errant person. And needless to say, it takes a proactive love for the errant.
Atraa, can the above two statements of yours be applied while judging/punishing the “alleged” con-woman of my blog ?
Wait, you DIDN'T know
#1?
So you meant 2, 3 or 4? MM-Kayyyy …
(umm, if this is completely disinteresting to the others, we can take this unrelated banter offline! But is it?
)
Just another dyslexic desi
-ashu
Apologies
For this strange (but yet interesting!) tangent, but (Atra) I was actually claiming that (I sure hope!) there was NO connection - and disagreeing with void’s generalization about the ratio. Yeah, my response was convoluted - so now you guys know why I don’t blog
Although I like that this discussion has lead to a fascinating & constructive method to determine this (I-still-think-con-)woman’s real motivation.
It’s Peanut-butter-nautanki time, IW!
Just another dyslexic desi
-ashu
Ashoe's Golden Ratio
Ashoe, are you saying that if a guy dates a gal who is way below his salary level, he stands much better chances of getting laid on his first date?
Hmmm…no wonder guys like to date waitresses and chorus-line gals. And come to think of it - its not like high salaries increase the gal’s sex appeal or finesse in bed. So, technically, a guy would get much better mileage out of a gal with lower salary than a gal with higher salary.
Which is what makes me marvel at this con-gal (that our man IW is into). She is a zero-mileage, high maintenance, zero ownership commodity, and its IW who is disposable, not her!
I wonder what would happen if IW acted real panicky and said that he’s in trouble and that if he does not cough up 2 lakhs, some debtors are going to chop off his family jewels with a blunt machete.
And if she does nothing to prevent this from happening, IW might just get over his delusion that she cares for him in some weird way (IMO, the way a butcher cares for his goat).
I mean, there should be SOME time that IW puts his nautanki ability to practical usage!
Guyz.. (Ashoe, Void, Atraa)
I will get back to your comments in a little while (couple of days). Bit tied up with other pressing matters ( house shifting + offc work ). Don’t want to reply in a hurry & sound flippant. Thanx just the same & yes I do agree with cheti - What language are you guys speaking ?
Flippant?
It’s unlikely ANY response to that weird ongoing discussion void, atra & I just had could be considered flippant. Ya’know, relatively speaking
Just another dyslexic desi
-ashu
Gosh!
I had to UD the term …
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=taco+belle
I only conjectured #1, none of the other potential definitions … and I trust you didn’t either!
I don’t know whether to be indignant at your continuous series of stereotypes and sexist remarks, or to just cease and desist before I get into too much trouble!
Just another dyslexic desi
-ashu
In all fairness to myself,
In all fairness to myself, I didnt even know #1. its was just a generic term used to describe all waitresses.. taco bell or elsewhere, hispanic or otherwise..
This only further fuels my hatred for urbandictionary. That place is becoming a hotbed for misinformation. Sample this “definition” of zune:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zune&page=2 (see #13). The kicker is that its actually used as a viable source of information by “real journalists” like these:
http://apcmag.com/node/3843
Never mind ...
… I knew I was biting off more than I could chew.
Just disagreeing with the simplistic ratio explanation, and also wondering how often even a 2.0 ratio even occurs, any more … in this day and ag of similar (and in most cases, identical) salaries for the sexes.
But I’m totally digressing from the ‘don’t let her get away with the (if it is a) con’ theme of the comments
Just another dyslexic desi
-ashu
obviously, you havent dated
obviously, you havent dated any Taco Belles
well ..err. I havent either, but you get the idea.
I like the sound of that ancient wisdom, but
.. I can’t vouch for its numerical accuracy, however. (On the flipside)I COULD (If I were the type to kiss & tell), provide personal experience for ratio situations with reversed numerical values (sub 1.0)- and the stories ain’t promising, unsurprisingly!
That said, in this era of MUCH closer equity in salaries (although I still note the frequent existence of a glass partition, as it were), the odds seem stacked against the guy, wouldn’t you say?
I mean … Base 1.13 etc doesn’t sound particularly interesting!
Just another dyslexic desi
-ashu
adeng
gappangappa !
what in the whole wide world was that ?
in simple english please ?
letting it out
I think, one of the reasons IW may be shirking to let it out on the bubli-gal, because he is probably worried that if he blows his top there, and confronts, then he may never get his money back.
I think, IW should ask himself the brain-clearing Q -
Do I want the money or the gal?
Actually, its just the hope of the gal and never the gal - there is no way in hell that IW is gonna get this gal, even if she is the unfortunate caught-in-circumstances girl that IW believes her to be, and even if she is not the conwoman as the rest of the deluded world is convinced that she is.
In fact, I may even be willing to believe, for the sake of argument, that she may not be a congal. But I totally refuse to believe that she is not clear in her mind about her non-romantic intentions to IW.
Man, it is SO pathetically easy for even a half-smart gal to get a guy wrapped around her fingers.
One of my mom’s favorite sayings -
“A woman spends all her life making a man out of her little boy. Then some other woman comes along and makes a monkey of him in two minutes”
Ancient wisdom says the
Ancient wisdom says the number of bases the girl will let you hit on your first date is the ratio of your salary to hers.. given IW has had couple dates already and given that the ratio is infinite since the girl is broke and still IW hasnt gotten any.. this ones a lost cause.. forget the gal, get the money.. if you have to lose the money too, dont lose your pride with it.
Hey dude, I bet enough
Hey dude, I bet enough wisdom has been spouted on this (I wish I had the enthu to read all of it, but apologies in advance if this is duplicate), but I cant resist throwing my chips in the pot. Standard disclaimers like you know your sitch best etc apply..
My advice though is for post-breakup. I dont know if you going to break up or not (IMHO, get the fuck out man.. what the hell are you thinking.. theres plenty of fish elsewhere). If you are gonna break up with this woman, think through you feelings. If you are angry, its very important to let it out (not on dss, to the woman directly).. you dont have to be rude or impolite.. be cool.. but you gotta let it out and let her know why you are leaving.. you gotta clean up your slate before you can start afresh.. and when you leave, let it go.. dont potter around in the friendship/relationship twilight zone.
no idea what your plans are for recovering the money.. looks like a lost cause to me.. but if I was in your position.. i wouldnt have let it go. hell no..
Good luck..
void
ps - sidenote.. am curious if she knows abt your alter ego.. what if she sees all this
this cracked me up
totally
” not on dss, to the woman directly” D
IW, dude!
You are WAY too nice and it seems you’ve been taken advantage of.
I’ll echo what others have said about not losing your niceness, but still - I’m glad you’ve decided to be more cautious in the future.
Here’s wishing you well, and hoping you can recover well from this all, including financially!
Also, note to self, NEVER cross Atra IRL
Just another dyslexic desi
-ashu
first mistake...
…when hiring mercenaries - never do it in any written form, whether virtual or physical, nor by phone, nor in person without having the other person searched for wires on him.
Since you do not have the wisdom to to realize this simple funda, I daresay that anyone who accepts a contract from you will be doing so at great risk. No smart mercenary would like to have a client who cannot be discrete.
Secondly, I would advise you to be careful here, too. Once any mercenary realizes what a pushover you are, he will go over to the smarter side and then you will have two people squeezing money out of you, like a half-empty toothpaste.
BTW, do you realize that if this gal is some kind of a con-person, she will have a full strategy ready to screw your life if you try to demand money out of her?
The criminal is always prepared, and hence can take out even an intelligent victim, simply because the criminal knows what is going to happen when, and the victim is almost always taken by surprise.
So, even when you take retaliatory action, be prepared to suddenly have the tables turned on you.
In case you have not suspected it yet, you are dealing with someone smart here.
Typical board meeting
Sure, gross expenditure mis-management has been admitted, everything has been said by everyone, feedback has been given, everything has been agreed to, an overwhelmingly noble open-mindedness to all suggestions has been displayed.
Yet, there is literally zero progress or change in intent or methodology. Its only ‘ghoom-phir key bhopla chowk’.
IW would make the perfect corporate manager, IMO
Offer for atraa,
Chal Atraa, i will make this interesting. Couple of months down the line, if i feel that the Ghee is not coming out by seedhaa oongli and i need to resort to some tedhaa tacticts. Do you reckon you can pull this off for me for a cut of 70,000 Rs ? Thats straight 10 % off the recovered amount. I know being the good friend that you are, you would refuse even to take 10% . Still to cover the logistical & operational expenses you will need some moolah, thats why i am doing the gustaakhi of offering you a cut. Kyaa boltaa tu, teraa ek doh tapori dost log ko saaath mein leke tu vasooli kar saktaa hein kyaa ?
p.s. : now plz don’t start haggling over the cut percentage and call me kanjoos or other such names.
Ok; everything has been
Ok; everything has been said by now. Hope it all turns out to be well!
aapke to darshan
hi anmol ho gaye hai, madam. the sb is on the top right hand corner, just the way it used to be
cheers,
asuph
S.O.S for melody
Silo would you accept the position of Honorary Director - CEO - Chairman , boley toh “sabkuch” of DBHolics-Anonymous ? You are a living breathing proof that DB-Holism is curable. You can guide people like me & asuph away from the darkness of the virtual world. Please HELP US
abe shaane
khud ke saath mereko mat kheech. apun DBholic nahin hain. i’ve proved that with a seven day absolute abstainance in the past (when you, my friend broke it on the fourth day, and i didn’t say a thing).
apun to social drinker types hai DB pe. waise bhi abhi DB me addiction jaisa kuch raha nahi. no in-tocsication, not even existential void… it’s like a Govinda movie now.
teri to baat hi aur hai.
-asuph
Thanx all..
Sunny!!!!!.
How my heart longed to see your shouts on SBox & the trademark : -)))))))) smileys embedded in your messages. For last few days i was thinking of dropping a mail to check how you are doing & what is that you are up2 thats keeping you away from DSS for soooooo long. Am glad that this blog made you re-surface !! Howz everything in tumaktum land ??
thats for openly flirting with LL. Badey bhaai ki Dilrubaa pe line maartaa hein ?? Duraachaari.. Bhrashtaachaari.. Chal ab bol Sorry. 
Would you believe if i tell you that i missed you so bad
And here’s a song to take away the blues that you are feeling after reading my sob story. Come join me in singing -
“Hum Honge Kaamyaab.. Hum Honge Kaamyaab..
Hum Honge Kaamyaab.. Ek Deeeee….iiiii…nnnnnn..
Ho Ho.. Mann Mein hein Vishwaas.. Puraa Hein Vishwaas..
Hum Honge Kaamyaab.. Ek Din”
Salonii,
I will drop a mail to you (soon) and *try* to defend some of the points that you mentioned. I really appreciate the sentiments behind your comment and many thanks for taking time-out to pen down a lengthy comment despite you being so tied up with work
Heartcrossings,
Fate has already set things even. It was her over zealous workaholism that lead to initial friction between her & me. She felt that i was being too needy (emotionally) & clingy and that i didn’t give her enough space to breathe. While, i felt she wasn’t devoting enough time for me & that I was coming a distant second, with work always being her first priority. She finally made her choice and decided to chose her work over me.
In due course, she was duly dumped by the organization to whom she was so hopelessly devoted (its another long sordid story involving high level office politics, power struggle, ego battles etc). I hope, by now she has realized that at the end of the day, its your family & your near n dear ones are the people that matter the most. So in a way, i had had my revenge.
Suresh,
They say “A Fool is soon parted with his money”. I guess that explains how I ended up parting with such huge amount.
Atra,
Good attempt at trying to provoke me to change (for better), but you have rightly said that its an exercise in futility
Ardra,
Thanx for your wishes. Amen.
Pradz,
for IW
Mr.Whining:-)
I am sure you have heard the song…”everybody plays the fool sometimes, NO exceptions to the rule!” May be it was a very costly lesson- but, I think the seven lakhs was worth it! And it could have been a lot worse (in monetary and other terms).
By the way, I would be very suspicious of anyone who writes a note with the “mate” thing, now-there is absolutely no excuse for NOT running away from a person who mates this and that!
Seriously, on a certain level we live symbiotic lives with expectations…all our lives are full of people who try to use us (that includes our families)for something (it can be for money and some things which are priceless), it is a matter of relativity when we are “vulnerable” ..and when we know this fact, we have to simply decide- how far we can go with anyone..and what/who is worth it, and ‘how much.’
I will keep my fingers crossed, for you to win the lottery/jackpot!
And hope you win atleast 14 lakhs- that’s for your good deeds and big heart!
take care,
Maria
mate ?
Whoa !!!!! Maria .. digressing a little …
Are you suspicious of the whole lot from OZ land !!!
Just kidding mate!
for Cheti
Don’t you mate me, web mate Cheti:-))
Unless someone is really from OZ land, I don’t see the ‘wannabe OZies’ anywhere close to be ‘endearing’!
May be it just a language thing..I am not sure what it is..’mate’ always sounds like ‘checkmate’(trying to play and defeat someone to me as in(one upman/womanship) to me!)…which is not the best way to refer to a friend/companion..but, if that is all it takes to excite and gain the confidence of someone special- pardon me web friends:)
Maria
for maria-n-chetz
Maria/Chetz
This “mate” has no connection with the Aussie “mate”. This one used to be “soulmate” up until couple of years back, but somewhere down the line the “soul” got thrown out of the window & what remains is just the “mate”.
Maria, I guess the odds of me hitting the jackpot seems much more favourable than me managing to get the loaned amount back
for IW
This “mate” has no connection with the Aussie “mate”. This one used to be “soulmate” up until couple of years back, but somewhere down the line the “soul” got thrown out of the window & what remains is just the “mate”.
IW,
Oh…A soul separated from its mate?! That is too sad..
But, in that case, I would be just as suspicious..because I believe that the soul cannot have a mate..our soul comes alone into this world and leaves alone! (and if it does, it can’t be “just one” and I would prefer the term “kindred spirit(s)”-which is more real!)..
“Maria, I guess the odds of me hitting the jackpot seems much more favourable than me managing to get the loaned amount back”
I will keep wishing you then…maybe the ‘jackpot’ would be that special person-lovely with a good soul:-))
Seriously, take care,
Maria
hey iw
well, i do hope that everything turns out alright at the end but boss you really stuck your head out by lending upto 7L. i have been good as well but never this good.
No use
Guys, see, its no use explaining things logically to IW, because IW is just about as smart as any one of us.
Someone said - you can’t reason someone out of something, into which he was not reasoned into, in the first place.
So, since IW’s brain still works tic-toc, he is as capable of seeing things rationally as you - so, whats the big idea of telling him things that he is already able to figure out?
This is an addiction, which is beyond rationale.
Like I pointed out earlier, its exactly the pattern of a gambler, who feels “lemme put in some more, and then I can recover my earlier debts” or “god can’t be THAT bad to let this happen to me this time, too”.
Or the alcoholic who reverts back to full-fledged alcoholism as soon as one small peg is given to him again.
My own analysis is that IW suffers from the toxic effects of the doosro-ke-liye-mai-shahid-banunga syndrome compounded with I’m-a-real-nice-guy syndrome. These are syndromes that feed a well-disguised molecule in the brain, called the ego. This strange molecule called the ego is capable of instantly over-riding any rational algorithm of the brain at any time.
Our man IW needs some professional CBT (cognitive behaviour therapy), and not a rational pointing out of why his actions are stupid - he already knows he is behaving stupidly.
nothing more to add. Just
nothing more to add. Just take care and Wish you all The Best.
Ardra
IW
Kudos for having the guts to write this so honestly. If your faith is indeed being put to test, I hope it wins. But if (like it does seem) she is a con-artist, please do whatever it takes to restore your ability to trust again even if that means extracting a generous pound of flesh. Sometimes revenge can be very restorative and I speak from personal experience.
iw, It pained me to read
iw,
It pained me to read your blog.
-Sunshine
Shooting for 14 L on round 2
@ “Hope she proves me & everyone else wrong. I am feeling a wee bit guilty now for exposing her misery.”
Dude, you need help.
Please go to Lenders Anonymous or some group like that.
And on the brighter side of things - now we know at who’s expense we can continue to crack jokes, since IW’s mood has been restored (if not his money).
I got mail..
While we were commenting n counter commenting & passing judgements. I forgot to check my mailbox since morning. My day is almost over now, and i thought of checking my mail.. and guess what ? her mail was waiting for me with the subject line of “Sorry” and herez the mail in totality :
mate sorry am out of town lost my cell will call you in a week pl mail me yr number thanx. Couldnt get in touch as i lost all numbers sorry know you must be worried
And now I am back to square one. Hope she proves me & everyone else wrong. I am feeling a wee bit guilty now for exposing her misery. But i was really upset & tense for last few days over her dissapearance. Her story is Fact or Fiction, your guess is as good as mine! The mystery remains as of now. Hope floats. Will keep you guys updated. Heck my life has become a “Reality Show” now. Truth is certainly stranger than fiction.
p.s. : Asuph, its okay. Pradz bilkul baccha hein. I didn’t take his comment seriously.
IW, mere bhai....
…. you are doing it again. YOU are feeling guilty? So right, she lost your number - she obviously couldnt get to an internet station before now?
It is very obvious that this woman knows how to push the buttons - she is very beautifully manipulating you and your feelings to best fit her needs.
I must say this - I laud you for putting up this post. It takes a lot of courage to stand up and say “Yes, I’ve been a fool.” Not all of us have that in us.
You are being noble, to want to give this woman a long leash - but my dear friend, with nobility, must come a certain astuteness. We must be practical - at least after a certain point. I know that emotion we call “love” makes us do the silliest of things, but at some point, we must stand back and take stock.
You sent 90K to Cox and Kings - money that should have come from her company’s account - fair enough. When she got back, why did she not take the money from her company and send it to you? [Would you have not done that in the same situation?]
She brought tears into her eyes and told you she was quitting her job. Was it a matter of life and death that she had to quit? Would not any responsible person find another avenue [if they wanted to do the same thing and had liabilities] first and then quit? [But she did find another avenue - You.]
You paid instalments on her house for a whole year - when you yourself are a person who doesnt believe in taking loans to pay for a house [this I recall from an earlier conversation I had with you]. You were going against your own belief - and she let you. Would someone who really cared, do that?
She said she would sell the expensive house, the car, find a job yada yada and pay you back. Did she keep her word?
You stopped sending her money in June and soon after, she was in touch with you only sporadically. Mere coincidence?
In so much financial trouble, and yet, she cannot give up the maid? And the maid stays without being paid for five months? In India? I’d like to see this maid.
Mere dost, its very obvious to me (and a lot of the others here on DSS as well), standing on the outside and observing, that this woman is just, to put it very insensitively, “using” you. She may not be a professional con-woman - but she is conning you. She is abusing the goodness of your heart, the emotions you have for her, your nobility and chivalry. The sooner you recognise this, the faster it will be over.
Do not fall for it again - please! Don’t let her push the buttons - take control of yourself.
Do not hope against hope - nothing will come out of this - except more pain and misery - for YOU. I doubt she feels any misery.
asuph
We all know what IW needs now.
His money back, of course.
The question is, at who’s expense shall we crack jokes now??
..The question is, at
..The question is, at who’s expense shall we crack jokes now??
Very good q. I guess there’s a zen story about this somewhere in Volume 8.
[sombre mood continues]
makkhichoos Pradz
Nah, I did not mean he should have gotten laid for seven lakhs.
I am sure that he could have purchased a lifetime season pass to his fav massage parlor in singapore, if that was his intent.
I meant, he did all that in a romantic relationship where they did not even get horizontal??
YOU DIDN'T EVEN GET LAID????
W. T. F. ????
for seven lakhs? I’d
for seven lakhs? I’d rather have the money back!
guys
stop making crude jokes at iw’s expense. accepted he’s a real sport, yet, the last thing he needs right now is such jokes.
regards,
asuph
IW, seven fucking lakhs is
IW,
seven fucking lakhs is no joking matter! Shit, i can give you a list of things i can buy…err i mean you can buy with that money dude… EOS 1DsMark II, a 14 mmfisheye, and a host of prime lenses that’ll make you look king. Oh wait and gunny bag fulla slide films and dude, the list is never ending, you should know better.
You better get outta this hole like Punds and everyone here is telling you? Only thing im happy about here is you haveing the balls to come out with this… how many folks actually tell they’ve been duped?
Goodluck bro!
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